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    You and your commenters are a feast of thinking — great stuff.

    -C.L. Dyck
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I have no need to engage with racists, so will ignore cl’s further diatribes.

    -faithlessgod,
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    cl resists following through on a thought even to provide a solid opposing position, and thus stifles many conversations. It’s a shame since it seems like cl has some brain power that could be applied to the topics at hand.

    -Hermes,
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    [faithlessgod and Hermes] fit my definition of trolling. I didn’t take any of those attacks against you seriously, and quickly categorized them as trolls.

    -JS Allen,
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    [cl] is, as many have noticed, a master of this warfare.

    -Eneasz,
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    This seems to imply that cl is, at least in part, disingenuous in terms of how he responds/what he claims. Is this most likely true, supported by evidence, or merely a subjective claim?

    -al friedlander,
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    ...I wanted to get a message to you outside of the context of specific discussions on CSA. You make good, insightful contributions to that site, and since I often agree with you I'm glad there is someone else there defending my positions better than I sometimes can. However I don't think anything of value would be lost if you stopped engaging in personal combat with juvenile snipers.

    -Zeb,
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    Thank you for your wonderful response - so reasoned in the race of [Waldvogel's] blustering.

    -Annie Laurie Gaylor
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    Thanks for a great Op-Ed.

    -Marianne Ratcliff
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    ...as atheists we need to make sure that someone like cl and any Christian readers of [An Apostate's Chapel] don’t come away with the perception that the atheists caved in or were incapable of responding. I’m sure that a lot of Christians who find cl incomprehensible at times and don’t even bother reading him themselves will come away with an assumption that cl is that sort of rare intellectual theist who can prove that gods exist. And that’s how those inane rumors about the feared xian intellectuals start…

    -bbk
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    You are in so over your head here, you are embarrassing yourself...
    I am well versed in many aspects of evolution biology, through my academic background, and my professional life. Unless your academic degrees and background match mine, cease and desist. Return to philosophy and rhetoric, or whatever it is you perceive your strengths to be. They are definitely not science, even at the high school level.

    -R.C. Moore
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    You're doing a fine job.

    -Prof. Larry Moran
     Dept. of Biochemistry
     University of Toronto
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    Phyletic change and vicariance (or, drift and selection versus population isolation), as cl points out, are much better ways of describing what are unfortunately more commonly known as micro- and macro- evolution, respectively.

    -Dan
     Biology postdoc
     Univ. of Cyprus
     re: R.C. Moore & others
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    cl says, “The minute you call yourself a Christian or an Atheist or whatever the heck else, you automatically get painted by other people’s interpretations of those words, which are almost always different and almost always distorted.” cl’s point couldn’t be more on. As cl points out there is an important reason for not claiming any real religious (or lack thereof) belief. It puts logical constraints on one's arguments due directly to the bias of the individual that is translating the English to mind ideas of what it means to be religious.

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    cl, I have to say, while I fundamentally disagree with you, you are an individual which I highly respect. I think your responses are always well thought out and your insights always well thought out and pertinently derived.
    [Y]ou have made me a stronger atheist in my regards to critical thinking and debating. I really can’t wait to hear more from you. Hell, I’d even buy you a drink, good sir. Cheers!

    -Parker
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    Bottom line? Sometimes I think he's right about certain arguments, and I don't have a problem admitting that. Other times, however, I think he's wrong, and I've called him on that. But I have found he can be pretty reasonable if you (1) don't overstate your case, (2) make concessions when you have, and (3) insist he do the same.

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    I like it when [cl] makes me stop, think and question if I am making unfounded assertions or if I am being sloppy. What has been annoying me about cl of late is that he is being excruciatingly anal...

    -seantheblogonaut
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I really can't thank you enough for catching me on my error in rhetoric.
    I always love a good debate! And I always enjoy your posts, as well! Keep up the great writing and the excellent eye
    for detail!

    -BZ
     GLST 15
     City College
     of San Francisco
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    You make me smarter...

    -Mike G.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    ..thank you, cl. I discovered your blog on a random web search and saw it as an oasis amidst a vast desert of seemingly intractable theist-atheist debate.

    -Sung Jun
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    It's good to be able to discuss with people who are open and respectful, and know that disagreement does not mean disrespect... You are to be congratulated, not only for your patience, but also your ability to hold an ever-growing debate together with an impressive degree of structure.

    -Ritchie
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    My tone is derogatory... [cl is] ignorant and credulous and deserves to be mocked... In the time he's been here, he's shown a consistent pattern of antagonizing everyone he comes in contact with, monopolizing threads, derailing discussions with perpetual complaints, quibbles and demands for attention, and generally making arguments that display a lack of good faith and responsiveness... it's become intolerable. I'm not banning him, but I'm putting in place some restrictions on how often he can comment.

    -Ebonmuse
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    This is no defense of the annoying cl, but what a self-righteous, prissy atheist you turned out to be, Ebonmuse. I'm disappointed in you, stealing a strategem from the theists.

    -The Exterminator
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    I certainly didn't get any bad impression about cl, and I can't relate his comments with any of the things (Ebonmuse) said above. I actually thought it was quite interesting to have him around.

    -Juan Felipe
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    Please continue to allow
    cl to post his views and make it clear that he is still welcome. And let me be clear, cl is not a lunatic.

    -Curtis
     Daylight Atheism
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    With one exception, you are the most coherent and intelligent theist I've seen on this site...

    -Steve Bowen
     Daylight Atheism
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I'm rooting for cl. I hope he perpetually manages to skirt the rules enough to do his damage, forcing rule revision after rule revision, ad nauseum. Awesome! Let's watch as Ebon, ever more frustrated, continues to struggle to figure out how to keep his precious private blog neat and tidy as cl keeps messing up his papers while one by one, readers leave due to an every increasing administrative presence. Outstanding! Well I won't go. The thought of this sounds like the most entertaining thing that probably would have ever happened on Daylight Atheism. Hot damn!

    -PhillyChief
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Your visit has been something of a reality check to me. It seems that when you present rational arguments and criticisms, many commenters feel territory slipping and then work up vaporous or leaky responses. I also want to remark that your presence here has considerably moved me to try being a more careful and understanding debater...

    -Brad
     Daylight Atheism
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    I am not going to waste any more time parsing your comments to decide if they've crossed the line or not... So I banned you.

    -Greta Christina
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Be rude... cl invites rudeness. Would you want an incontinent little puppy coming into your house?

    -(((Billy))) the Atheist
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Note to all my regular readers: Since An Apostate’s Chapel is a free-speech zone, I don’t censor conversations.
    As it appears that cl is a troll, please note that I will not be responding to him any longer. I ask that you refrain from doing so, as well. Please don’t feed the troll!

    -The Chaplain
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    …I can’t reconcile being a "freethinker" with banning speech. [cl's] comments are not offensive in the normal understanding of that term, and he poses absolutely no threat except perhaps to some imagined decorum. Why can’t atheists lighten up, for no-Christ’s sake?

    -The Exterminator
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Is it going to distract from my meal when crazy uncle cl starts blathering out nonsense, pick his ears with a carrot or start taking his pants off? No. In fact, it might actually heighten the experience in some amusing way. So no, I don't see cl's work as damage.

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    I am beginning to suspect that you are a troll cl. Albeit an evolved troll, but a troll nonetheless. Perhaps we should all stop feeding the troll?

    -GaySolomon
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    [cl is] is either a sophist or an incompetent when it comes to the english language... (sic)

    -ThatOtherGuy
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    I’d say cl is pretty sharp... it may be tempting at times to think that “the other guy” is arguing out of some personal character flaw rather than a sincere desire to acknowledge the truth, I still think it’s better to debate respectfully... It is disrespectful to make unsupported accusations against people, e.g. by suggesting that their views are caused by an intrinsically corrupt and immoral nature.

    -Deacon Duncan, 3-9-09
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    [cl] cannot refute my facts, so he needs must find (sic) some scapegoat in order to claim that he has confronted the enemy and proven them wrong... cl, sadly, has proven himself to be the sort of guest who comes into your living room and sneaks behind your couch to take a crap on the floor, just so he can tell all your neighbors how bad your house smells and what an unsanitary housekeeper you are... an interesting case study in the negative effects a Christian worldview has on a reasonably intellectual mind.

    -Deacon Duncan, 6-17-09
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    I strongly discourage discussion of the character, abilities, motives, or personal ancestry of individual commenters, as tempting as such comments may be at times. I discourage the posting of comments that make frequent use of the pronoun “you,” as in “you always…” or “you never…” or “you are just so…”, when directed at a specific individual.

    -Deacon Duncan, 4-9-09
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    I won’t be publishing your most recent comment because it’s a return to the same sort of schtick you’ve pulled here before: re-writing other people’s arguments to make yourself look misunderstood and/or unfairly accused, taking “polyvalent” positions so that when people address your points you can claim to have said something else, distorting other people’s arguments, trolling for negative reactions, and so on.

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    [E]gomaniacal troll.
    You win... You’re a disingenuous sophist through and through, cl. And a friggin’ narcissist to boot! Since I’ve thoroughly and purposefully broken the Deacon’s rules of engagement, I shall consider my right to post henceforth annulled, and move on - dramatic pause, lights out.

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    He either thinks in a very weird way or he's quite the con artist.

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    I will gladly admit that I have a boner for cl. Maybe some day I’ll even earn a place of honor on cl’s Blog of Infamy.

    -Eneasz
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    Long time reader first time poster... I like reading what you
    have to say over at Daylight Atheism so I figured I'd pop in here.

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    He's just a jerk
    that likes to argue.

    -KShep
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    You’re not a reasonable thinker in my book. You’re simply an arguer, for better or worse. I’m Michael Palin, you’re John Cleese. You’re just a disputation-ist, bringing everything into question...

    -jim
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    Motherfucker, this is an interesting blog... Quite the group of commenters.

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    You are very articulate, and I can only assume that it's a result of high intelligence; an intelligence that's interested in, and can understand, healthy debate. However, at every turn, that's not what I or others seem to get.

    -ex machina
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    You are a troll, a liar, and a useless sack of shit. Not only that, but you're still wrong even after moving the goal posts and trying to re-write history. So, you can stop cyber stalking me now and trying to provoke me. I know what you are doing, and you are doing it so that you can whine about how I'm being irrational and mean to you and stroke your pathetic martyr complex. You're a pathetic attention whore and I've already given you too much attention. So, back the fuck off, stop following me around the intarwebs and trying to provoke me, and fuck off.

    -OMGF
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    I would just like to say that, OMGF, having read the debate as a neutral observer, some of the things cl says about your style of argument are true, IMO. It is quite hasty, which means you occasionally haven't got the central point cl is trying to make...

    -John D.
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    ...this is a difficult question that deserves more than a kneejerk reaction, not to imply that you're kneejerking. You're the least kneejerking person I've met.

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    If you’re here playing devil’s advocate, then, hey, you do a great job at it, it’s a service, keep us sharp... You’re a smart guy, but those are exactly the ones who give the worst headaches!

    -Lifeguard
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    You are a waste of time, cl. A big fat black hole of bullshit sucking in everyone who comes into contact with you.

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    As for all that harsh invective that's come your way, umm... I gotta say, I've seen some of the invective, but I haven't seen the behavior on your part that called for it. Maybe I've just not seen enough? I don't know... from what I've read, I can tell that you're a smart person, and whether you deserved any of that treatment or not is quite frankly immaterial to me; I just want to deal with the smart person at the eye of that storm.

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    I now think that you’re an atheist, just having fun at other atheists’ expense. If that’s the case, kudos.

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Matt Goodwin

Very interesting article, People are full of shit.
Take everything you see, epecially on T.V. with a big grain of salt.

cl

Matt wrote,

"People are full of shit."

I would add that there is a substantive body of evidence to support your thesis!

Meghan Daigle

I thought it was good, and so I did some research on Freddie Stuart.
And it is true, he is real and he did die when he was 8 and all that. It was pretty scary, I love shows like that. And this one REALLY caught my attention. I don't know why though?

cl

@ Meghan,

Yeah, I'm inclined to believe the kids as well. The directorial aspects that tend to sensationalize the phenomenon, less so. That's good to hear somebody fact checked the show, and it came out. You gonna watch Monday?

Jon S

As a Christian I accept that there could be legitimate 'paranormal' phenomena. I'm not familiar with any scientific evidence, but I do believe demons exist, and they could account for paranormal experiences. Jesus expelled his share of demons, and the Bible documents paranormal accounts (1 Samuel 28:7-25). I think we need to be real careful in this area because pursuit of the demonic realm can have a lot of harsh and unintended consequences. The Bible provides many warnings that should be understood.

Paige Frederick

Heyy,
I am a psysick to i am soooo scared i dont know what to do!!!!

cl

Ex, is that you??

Greg Lang

I have no idea if paranormal phenomena truly exists. I do not know if there are really good and bad spirits, or Angels and Demons. However, what I do know is that anything on TV is scripted and subject to the rules of television production. There is no possible way for a television to objectively present information to an audience due to the rules of television production. It seems that unless you are experiencing paranormal phenomena happening to yourself or someone else firsthand, you cannot truly say whether or not it exists.

Faith Sentdal

Hi..I'm the girl on Psychic Kids: Children of The Paranormal. I play with Freddie every day but Catharine is not haunting me anymore because Chip sent her away. Freddie sees me every day and we play together but he tells me about his mom that killed him when he was 8. My mom Alison is helping me type and I really am psychic.

PR

I personally have felt a demon, as it choked me. had dreams about what happened to my friends, one died in a car crash after i dreamed about it. It dose happen no matter the scornful gazes of those who would reason away every spiritual thing becouse of no scientific proof.

Ive said my peace. Goodbye

cl

PR -

I believe your experiences, and not saying that you have, don't think my skepticism and distrust for A&E and Chip Coffee is synonymous with distrust of every spiritual thing. I also believe the children in the show, although some 'kid psychics' are undeniably on some ADD trip. While more the exception than the norm, I think refusal to believe something solely on account of a lack of scientific evidence can be the height of foolishness - especially when so heavily corroborated by anecdotal evidence - as spiritual and 'psi' phenomena are.

Thanks for coming through..

Colby

i think i am a physick kid cuz everything i think is happening and it is really weird!! and i am really scared!!

Jessica

I just watched the show and i am speachless. I can relate to Faith and Jillian's stories in some ways. Sometimes i get so scared and fear takes over. No one believes me, but watching the show has opened my eyes to no that i am not alone in the world. I am like Faith as i go through everything she did, but with not only one person but many that have died. I can relate to Jillian by i have dreams like seeing somewhere and i will draw it and then i will come across the place or person that i have drawn. My mum doesnt believe me and everyone thinks that i am doing it for attendtion but i have dreams that a certain person dies and they actually do! I get so scared sometimes that i dont know what to do.

unknown

this is weird say or become a muslim

Shamy

I to know what it is like to be psychic. I to am a psychic teenager. I can see, hear, feel, and speak to the dead. At first it was scary but now it isn't, for me it is like seeing the living, it is just another part of my life. It can be annoying sometimes though. I have been looking for someone like me and now I have found some people that have the ability I have.

Well talk to you all later or also said as ttyl

Phoebe

I also did some research and found a Fred Stewart (different spelling which is not uncommon)born the same time who married in 1902 his parents were the same as on the 1880 the mother Catherine maiden name is the same as the Sarah show in the census so she must have been the mother sister. Also I found no death certificate for him for 1886. Just my thought on it.

• GI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
North America
Fred E. Stewart Pedigree
Male Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Paxton, Ford, Illinois
Parents:
Father: Augustus S. Stewart Family
Mother: Catherine Dolan
Marriages:
Spouse: Grace Burtnett Family
Marriage:
25 AUG 1902 Paxton, Ford, Illinois
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
M390897 1878 - 1927 1401877

tamera regalado

hey this is jillians mom and i just want to clarify that everything we have experianced is real and true we love chip for ever and will always be greatful for him he changed our lives and my beautiful daughter is very gifted hse has grown since then and has got alot of help for this and if you dont belive then you dont have to but for us we gained from this jillian gives readingings and still uses her gift for good she has done better in school and we have a better relationship my goal for taking her on the show wich by the way was my idea,was to get her help to know how to cope i incourage anybody to do this for thier child if they need it.she was heving sleeping problems and fighting with me and the show helped her and if you wonder yes she still sees and talks to jacob and others we did get rid of emily so for you skepticks we could care less if you belive we have been through it all for you fans thanks for watching a part of our history.....happy new year 2010...jillians mother tamera

cl

Hi Tamera, thanks for stopping by. First off, apologies for misspelling your name (fixed).

I wasn't sure if your comment was aimed at anyone in particular or just skeptics in general, but I might as well clarify my position anyway: I know things like those described in the show happen, and I've got no reason to disbelieve your story. My position as stated in the original post was,

..I side with the parents in their estimation that what is happening to their children represents an authentic phenomena, but I think the methods used by the producers to present such a controversial subject to the general public are subjective, counfounded and devoid of any substantive scientific value.

As far as convincing skeptics, don't worry about it - you can't. I'm just glad to hear things are calmer around the house.

Also, I don't have anything against Chip and I'm sure he's a great guy. You say he's helped you; that's all for the better it would seem. My complaint here isn't that I disbelieve these phenomena; it's that I think trying to boss spirits around is a moot point, and I wish the producers would approach the show with more science and less emotion - but we all know Hollywood productions usually require a certain formula.

Happy New Year!

Tamera

no i wasnt aiming at you it was the skepticks we have herd alot of crap about the show..but the main thing here is my dauhgter got help and we are good friends with the other girls and if i may be a spokes person for them they are doing great...as well thanks for the positive feed back we need that happy new year to you too..for all you skepticks well thats youre fault!!!yes i agree about the hollywood thing lol thank u for caring Tamera

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Myra Conley

This message is to the wonderful kids on the Psychic Kids show and I wanted to support your beliefs that you have all these things happen to you for what it is worth. I am 55 yrs old and things like these have happened to me all my life and folks laughed at me. You continue to do good things with your gifts and you never regret acknowledging your gift. It doesn't matter whether anyone else belives you. You KNOW it is happening and that is what matters. Continue to help people and you will be a wonderful blessing to many. More power to you I say and Foowey on those who do not beleive. Interpretation is the mystery I'm sure, but keep looking for the good things and then you will know you chose the right paths. You are the brave ones. Let others think what they will. I see it like you are the lucky ones to have the gift. Nov. 2010

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  • When faced with unsolved problems, there is no justification for recourse to the supernatural as long as we can offer valid possibilities of rational explanation. God has given us an intellect and expects us to use it.

    Overhasty recourse to occult explanations is a flight into the magical and a departure from the will of the Creator, a repudiation of the senses and mental powers He has entrusted to us.

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    In the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, science broke loose from theology and the church. In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, science and medicine separated themselves from philosophy. These are the ruptures of reason to which I refer... We hope to learn that psychology can provide help in repairing these ruptures of reason.

    -Viktor von Weizsäcker
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    In matters that are obscure and far beyond our vision, even in such as we may find treated in the Holy Scripture, different interpretations are sometimes possible without prejudice to the faith we have received. In such a case, we should not rush in headlong and so firmly take our stand on one side that, if further progress in the search of truth justly undermines this position, we too fall with it. That would be to battle not for the teaching of Holy Scripture, but for our own, wishing its teaching to conform to ours, whereas we ought to wish ours to conform to that of Sacred Scripture.

    -St. Augustine
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    None of the names of Einstein's skeptics are remembered. And this is the ignominious fate of most skeptics - because the times and tides of discovery march on and forget they existed.

    -Ingo Swann
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Science is the tool of the Western mind and with it more doors can be opened than with bare hands. It is part and parcel of our knowledge and obscures our insight only when it holds that the understanding given by it is the only kind there is.

    -Carl Gustav Jung
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Popery is but the natural development of [the] original transgression. It is just the early idolatries ripened and perfected... Popery is the last, the most matured, the most subtle, the most skilfully contriven, and the most essentially diabolical form of idolatry which the world ever saw, or which, there is reason to believe, it ever will see. It is the ne plus ultra of man’s wickedness, and the chef d’oeuvre of Satan’s cunning and malignity.

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    A really stylish fisking is witty, logical, sarcastic and ruthlessly factual; flaming or handwaving is considered poor form.

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    At the heart of science is an essential tension... [A]n openness to new ideas, no matter how bizarre or counter intuitive they may be, and the most ruthless, skeptical scrutiny of all ideas, old and new.

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    Circumstantial evidence is a very tricky thing...
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    If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach it in the public school, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools, and the next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and newspapers. Soon you may set Catholic against Protestant and Protestant against Protestant, and try to foist your own religion upon the minds of men...

    -Clarence Darrow, 1925
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
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    ...this most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being... I find more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history whatsoever.

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    Most families, orders, classes, and phyla appear rather suddenly in the fossil record, often without anatomically intermediate forms smoothly interlinking evolutionarily derived descendant taxa with their presumed ancestors.

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    There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors and hail a materialist or
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    Sins carry their punishment with them by the order of nature and by virtue of the mechanical structure of things itself; and in the same way, noble actions will attract their rewards by ways which are mechanical as far as bodies are concerned...

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    We may acknowledge a central and surprising fact of life's history, marked decrease in disparity followed by an outstanding increase in diversity within the few surviving designs.

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    If a man's honesty were called into question, it would be ridiculous to refer to the man's own word, whether he be honest or not. The same absurdity there is in attempting to prove, by any kind of reasoning, probable or demonstrative, that our reason is not fallacious, since the very point in question is, whether reasoning may be trusted.

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    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong.

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    The person who is living at his best is still searching for better ways to live. Such a person has kept the ability to wonder about life. He expects every day to teach him something new and better. He is open-minded and open-hearted, like a little child filled with wonder and delight at every new experience. Jesus found that many religious people, like the Pharisees and the Sadducees, were not teachable. They felt that they already knew all the answers.

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    One can do all the right things outwardly, have an extensive knowledge of Scripture, and have a vital grasp of church doctrine, but fail badly in relating to and loving people. True Christianity and genuine spirituality cannot be divorced from intimate human relationships.

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    I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me, and causes me to tremble for the safety of our country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed.

    -Abraham Lincoln
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    The destructive impact of Western Civilization upon so many other societies rests on its ability to demoralize their ideological and spiritual culture as much as its ability to destroy them in a material sense with firearms.

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    The exuberant overuse of imagination would attempt a solution like putting the socks in the shoes first and then shoving them both on at once or maybe, sewing the socks to the bottom of the pants legs.

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    ...it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe that there is, in all this, design, cause and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a fabricator of all things from matter and motion, their preserver and regulator while permitted to exist in their present forms, and their regenerator into new and other forms.

    -Thomas Jefferson
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    If you are a creationist looking for credibility with non-creationists, it's a losing proposition. Just being a creationist ruins whatever credibility you might have had in the eyes of the world. The best you can hope for is a kind of grudging acknowledgment that you're not a complete idiot.

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    What we call science had its primary origin in the contemplation of the cosmos. It is, therefore, in the last analysis only a derivative of the empirical world, an abstraction and logical classification of that which, in creation and historical development, is recognized as conforming to laws.

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